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Friday, March 7, 2008
The Preface for - A Dialogue
Hi friends,
The below eight postings are the exact copies of a chat session held between me and a very good friend of mine since childhood called Ravi Kalyan, who by nature is a profound thinker and a true enthusiast from with in.
This session started as a casual banter and ended up with some of the most serious and essential topics of life. At the end of the chat session we decided to post it as it could add more value to the discussion by the contribution of readers and these topics might be of interest to some of the true seekers.Hence kindly post your comments.
The session is logically devided in to eight parts namely
1) Casual start
2) Getting into things
3) The Trigger
4) Love - It is the essence
5) Surrender - It's the ultimate solution
6) Total Transformation
7) The Timelessness - Does it really exist
8) Bye..Bye..for now.
Postings 3 through 8 comprise of serious discussion of the above mentioned topics where as postings 1 and 2 are just a banter and are retained to carry the mood of the reader in to the conversation along with the speakers(conversation is some times in slang of telugu language in these two postings but they are not of much importance to reader). Each topic seems to be independent by itself that has clear link that leads to next the same can be noticed by subtle observation and hence each topic seems to be a continuation of the previous topic but in reality an ocean in itself.Posting 8 is just a casual end of the chat session.
Any feedback or comments for my blog can be entered under comments section of each posting or feel free to email me Baluakul@gmail.com.
I thank your interest in my blog..happy reading.
Regards,
Balu
The below eight postings are the exact copies of a chat session held between me and a very good friend of mine since childhood called Ravi Kalyan, who by nature is a profound thinker and a true enthusiast from with in.
This session started as a casual banter and ended up with some of the most serious and essential topics of life. At the end of the chat session we decided to post it as it could add more value to the discussion by the contribution of readers and these topics might be of interest to some of the true seekers.Hence kindly post your comments.
The session is logically devided in to eight parts namely
1) Casual start
2) Getting into things
3) The Trigger
4) Love - It is the essence
5) Surrender - It's the ultimate solution
6) Total Transformation
7) The Timelessness - Does it really exist
8) Bye..Bye..for now.
Postings 3 through 8 comprise of serious discussion of the above mentioned topics where as postings 1 and 2 are just a banter and are retained to carry the mood of the reader in to the conversation along with the speakers(conversation is some times in slang of telugu language in these two postings but they are not of much importance to reader). Each topic seems to be independent by itself that has clear link that leads to next the same can be noticed by subtle observation and hence each topic seems to be a continuation of the previous topic but in reality an ocean in itself.Posting 8 is just a casual end of the chat session.
Any feedback or comments for my blog can be entered under comments section of each posting or feel free to email me Baluakul@gmail.com.
I thank your interest in my blog..happy reading.
Regards,
Balu
Getting into details……….
[14:03] RAVI KALYAN: Testimonial nachinda?
[14:03] RAVI KALYAN: needi killing instinct unna comedy
[14:04] RAVI KALYAN: chadhivi navvakunda undagalana??
[14:04] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ante...
[14:04] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: oh mahi gadi testo commedy aa??
[14:04] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: killing instinct ante
[14:05] RAVI KALYAN: felt happy
[14:05] RAVI KALYAN: seems like u
[14:05] RAVI KALYAN: xpresd true feelings
[14:05] RAVI KALYAN: nenu inthasepu mahi testi anukunna
[14:07] RAVI KALYAN: public speaking modhalu pettu
[14:07] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: :-)
[14:07] RAVI KALYAN: that's my suggestion
[14:08] RAVI KALYAN: u may bcom 1 of the grt spkrs
[14:08] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm..letss see
[14:08] RAVI KALYAN: i 2 like it
[14:08] RAVI KALYAN: i may start
[14:08] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: good
[14:08] RAVI KALYAN: some frm now
[14:09] RAVI KALYAN: feel like,starting public life
[14:09] RAVI KALYAN: in sm r other way
[14:09] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: aite...politrics lo kellu
[14:09] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: chiru cherchukuntadu
[14:10] RAVI KALYAN: velladam istame
[14:10] RAVI KALYAN: kani ippatike chala kampu chesi pettaru
[14:10] RAVI KALYAN: so public loki vellali kani politics is not the way
[14:10] RAVI KALYAN: may be like ateacher or a preacher
[14:11] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ya..even I have a strong urge for public life may not be as a teacher or preacher though but to contribute in what ever way I can
[14:11] RAVI KALYAN: i feel like developing a village as far as we can
[14:11] RAVI KALYAN: any random village
[14:12] RAVI KALYAN: so that it becomes ideal to others
[14:12] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm
[14:12] RAVI KALYAN: and hopefully a good wavegets generated
[14:12] RAVI KALYAN: fcors merupu kalalu
[14:13] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: :-))
[14:13] RAVI KALYAN: kani mankunna infinite kalallo
[14:13] RAVI KALYAN: okkatanna cheyagaliithe
[14:13] RAVI KALYAN: janma sarthakam
[14:13] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ya...
[14:14] RAVI KALYAN: ultimately i want to come out of this rat race world
[14:14] RAVI KALYAN: and start my dream life
[14:14] RAVI KALYAN: don't ask how
[14:14] RAVI KALYAN: some how..
[14:14] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I will never ask how...
[14:14] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: how is a wrong question
[14:14] RAVI KALYAN: there r many ways fr sure
[14:15] RAVI KALYAN: kasta exite ayya,so prakruthi pilusthundi
[14:15] RAVI KALYAN: 1min wl b bak
[14:16] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ok
[14:35] RAVI KALYAN: aaa can we?
[14:03] RAVI KALYAN: needi killing instinct unna comedy
[14:04] RAVI KALYAN: chadhivi navvakunda undagalana??
[14:04] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ante...
[14:04] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: oh mahi gadi testo commedy aa??
[14:04] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: killing instinct ante
[14:05] RAVI KALYAN: felt happy
[14:05] RAVI KALYAN: seems like u
[14:05] RAVI KALYAN: xpresd true feelings
[14:05] RAVI KALYAN: nenu inthasepu mahi testi anukunna
[14:07] RAVI KALYAN: public speaking modhalu pettu
[14:07] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: :-)
[14:07] RAVI KALYAN: that's my suggestion
[14:08] RAVI KALYAN: u may bcom 1 of the grt spkrs
[14:08] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm..letss see
[14:08] RAVI KALYAN: i 2 like it
[14:08] RAVI KALYAN: i may start
[14:08] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: good
[14:08] RAVI KALYAN: some frm now
[14:09] RAVI KALYAN: feel like,starting public life
[14:09] RAVI KALYAN: in sm r other way
[14:09] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: aite...politrics lo kellu
[14:09] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: chiru cherchukuntadu
[14:10] RAVI KALYAN: velladam istame
[14:10] RAVI KALYAN: kani ippatike chala kampu chesi pettaru
[14:10] RAVI KALYAN: so public loki vellali kani politics is not the way
[14:10] RAVI KALYAN: may be like ateacher or a preacher
[14:11] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ya..even I have a strong urge for public life may not be as a teacher or preacher though but to contribute in what ever way I can
[14:11] RAVI KALYAN: i feel like developing a village as far as we can
[14:11] RAVI KALYAN: any random village
[14:12] RAVI KALYAN: so that it becomes ideal to others
[14:12] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm
[14:12] RAVI KALYAN: and hopefully a good wavegets generated
[14:12] RAVI KALYAN: fcors merupu kalalu
[14:13] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: :-))
[14:13] RAVI KALYAN: kani mankunna infinite kalallo
[14:13] RAVI KALYAN: okkatanna cheyagaliithe
[14:13] RAVI KALYAN: janma sarthakam
[14:13] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ya...
[14:14] RAVI KALYAN: ultimately i want to come out of this rat race world
[14:14] RAVI KALYAN: and start my dream life
[14:14] RAVI KALYAN: don't ask how
[14:14] RAVI KALYAN: some how..
[14:14] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I will never ask how...
[14:14] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: how is a wrong question
[14:14] RAVI KALYAN: there r many ways fr sure
[14:15] RAVI KALYAN: kasta exite ayya,so prakruthi pilusthundi
[14:15] RAVI KALYAN: 1min wl b bak
[14:16] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ok
[14:35] RAVI KALYAN: aaa can we?
The Trigger -3
[14:35] RAVI KALYAN: i want to cm out of this rat race life
[14:36] RAVI KALYAN: as sn as possilble
[14:36] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: it will be rat race as long as u think in that direction
[14:36] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: do what u like to
[14:36] RAVI KALYAN: i mn i want complete freedom
[14:36] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: its in ur hands
[14:37] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: no one can arrest ur freedom with out ur permission[14:37] RAVI KALYAN: wonderful
[14:37] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: its all in ur brains bud
[14:37] RAVI KALYAN: let me put it in other words
[14:38] RAVI KALYAN: i want to create some thing substantial on my own
[14:38] RAVI KALYAN: for me &subsequently evry1
[14:39] RAVI KALYAN: if u wrk,u r jst wrking
[14:39] RAVI KALYAN: ur creativity can't be at ur best
[14:39] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I think thats just a mental block
[14:39] RAVI KALYAN: k
[14:39] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u got to be aware of y u think in a particular way
[14:40] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: does that really makes sense
[14:40] RAVI KALYAN: not k[14:40] RAVI KALYAN: cd not ustand
[14:40] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: wat I mean is “focus on the source of the thought rather than the thought itself”
[14:40] RAVI KALYAN: k
[14:40] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u will find the truth
[14:40] RAVI KALYAN: i want more freedom than wat i have
[14:40] RAVI KALYAN: show me ways
[14:41] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: how do u define freedom in ur ways
[14:41] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I will proceed based on ur definition
[14:42] RAVI KALYAN: doing what i want in my way
[14:42] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: what is stopping u now from doing it ur way...
[14:42] RAVI KALYAN: world is trying to influence me
[14:42] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: be specific
[14:42] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and complete to ur best
[14:43] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: when u answer don just jump in to answer
[14:43] RAVI KALYAN: i want to influence the world
[14:43] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: in what way
[14:43] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: how is that related to u not having freedom
[14:44] RAVI KALYAN: to keep it simple
[14:44] RAVI KALYAN: i want to dedicate my life myself
[14:45] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm...
[14:45] RAVI KALYAN: and help others in my own way
[14:45] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u need to be still clear
[14:45] RAVI KALYAN: if i b myself
[14:45] RAVI KALYAN: the only thing i do is
[14:45] RAVI KALYAN: help others
[14:46] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: can u rephrase it?
[14:46] RAVI KALYAN: so world is encouraging me to be selfish
[14:46] RAVI KALYAN: ya sure
[14:46] RAVI KALYAN: if i b myself
[14:46] RAVI KALYAN: the only thing i do is help others
[14:46] RAVI KALYAN: world is encouraging me to be selfish
[14:47] RAVI KALYAN: but not helping others
[14:47] RAVI KALYAN: iam able to take help
[14:47] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: which means u are not inside out but ouside in ...
[14:47] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: so the problem is in U
[14:47] RAVI KALYAN: bt not otherway round?
[14:47] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u got to change ur approach towards urself
[14:48] RAVI KALYAN: yes fr sure, but it is not completely in me
[14:48] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I have written an article on
[14:48] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: You are the world – An insight to Inside out approach [14:48] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: did u read it?
[14:48] RAVI KALYAN: saw it
[14:48] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: in my blog
[14:49] RAVI KALYAN: read it,the heading
[14:49] RAVI KALYAN: will read it
[14:49] RAVI KALYAN: completely
[14:49] RAVI KALYAN: soon
[14:49] RAVI KALYAN: i knw
[14:49] RAVI KALYAN: let me ask u 1thing
[14:49] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ...world today is the expression of millions and millions years of t
[14:49] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: traditional and conventional approach towards life
[14:50] RAVI KALYAN: k
[14:50] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: when u start approaching life with outside in approach[14:50] RAVI KALYAN: k...
[14:50] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: which means ( u geeting affectd by world)
[14:50] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u can never ever get out from that loop
[14:51] RAVI KALYAN: k
[14:51] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ur approach towards life should be fresh and new every moment
[14:51] RAVI KALYAN: k
[14:51] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: then u will start looking at the world with altogether a different picture
[14:51] RAVI KALYAN: yes world does'nt let u tu be so..
[14:52] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: thats again a mental block
[14:52] RAVI KALYAN: let me ask u 1thing
[14:52] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm
[14:52] RAVI KALYAN: can i?
[14:52] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm
[14:53] RAVI KALYAN: i have a vision fr ur life
[14:53] RAVI KALYAN: d u have fr me
[14:53] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I dint get ur point rephrase
[14:53] RAVI KALYAN: being a close and dear friend
[14:53] RAVI KALYAN: i think i know ur +ves and -ves
[14:54] RAVI KALYAN: so i dream of a life fr u
[14:54] RAVI KALYAN: it jst comes into my mind
[14:54] RAVI KALYAN: evry time i cntact u
[14:54] RAVI KALYAN: so d u hav simlr ideas
[14:55] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u mean for u
[14:55] RAVI KALYAN: yeah
[14:55] RAVI KALYAN: i that way eithr u will b correct or me
[14:55] RAVI KALYAN: k
[14:55] RAVI KALYAN: let me change ur approach now
[14:56] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: but I live in the present ...atleast I think I do
[14:56] RAVI KALYAN: let me knw wat u want me to do in future as afriend
[14:56] RAVI KALYAN: if ur right,i wl follow u
[14:57] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: one thing that I want to make clear is
[14:57] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: doing it in future and projecting the same has very little significance, it may or may not be true
[14:58] RAVI KALYAN: k now
[14:58] RAVI KALYAN: tell me in wat way
[14:58] RAVI KALYAN: i shd act now
[14:58] RAVI KALYAN: may sound odd,sorry
[14:58] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: action should be an expression of 100% selfless being [14:59] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I can understand ur current mental situation
[14:59] RAVI KALYAN: if 1 wants to be so
[14:59] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: only thing I can suggest u at this point of time is
[14:59] RAVI KALYAN: meditation???
[14:59] RAVI KALYAN: haha...
[14:59] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: no not meditation
[15:00] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and there is nothing funny in meditating
[15:00] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ur attitude and [15:00] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: openness
[15:00] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: to accept and approach truth
[15:00] RAVI KALYAN: no nothing funny in meditation
[15:01] RAVI KALYAN: me mentioning it in wrong time
[15:01] RAVI KALYAN: was funny for me
[15:02] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and let me give u the key ...humility and surrendering [15:02] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: completely with ur heart ,soul, mind and body
[15:03] RAVI KALYAN: wat i look is using them completely in my way
[15:03] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: these qualities cultivate love in ur heart and that leads u to freedom
[15:03] RAVI KALYAN: cultivates to freedom and power
[15:03] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: come out of ur too intelligent self for a while
[15:03] RAVI KALYAN: no iam not
[15:04] RAVI KALYAN: iam jst speaking my foolish heart
[15:04] RAVI KALYAN: as there is no other place to speak it[15:04] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I dint want to sound harsh
[15:04] RAVI KALYAN: i knw
[15:05] RAVI KALYAN: i did'nt think so
[15:05] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: but as I said u got to have a questioning and receptive mind after profound enquiry
[15:05] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: but not a completely known and jammed mind
[15:06] RAVI KALYAN: i knw
[15:06] RAVI KALYAN: but percentage matters
[15:06] RAVI KALYAN: may be iam more questioning
[15:06] RAVI KALYAN: and least listening
[15:07] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u r skeptical rather than questioning
[15:07] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: when I say questioning it means inquisitive
[15:07] RAVI KALYAN: but essence of my question and essence of replies till now in my life have not changed
[15:08] RAVI KALYAN: so now there r 2 questions
[15:08] RAVI KALYAN: world poses a question 2 me
[15:08] RAVI KALYAN: and iam posing a question to world
[15:08] RAVI KALYAN: but i have the answer to the world
[15:09] RAVI KALYAN: but i jst don't wnt to reply
[15:09] RAVI KALYAN: but I feel like world is trying to answer me, but iam not convinced[15:09] RAVI KALYAN: so again its a loop
[15:09] RAVI KALYAN: whch i want to brk
[15:10] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ur approach to the world and u is through friction of thoughts
[15:10] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and the world u r referring here is not the true world but it is just the projection of your own self and imagination that it is the true ..it may be true just for u..
[15:10] RAVI KALYAN: k
[14:36] RAVI KALYAN: as sn as possilble
[14:36] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: it will be rat race as long as u think in that direction
[14:36] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: do what u like to
[14:36] RAVI KALYAN: i mn i want complete freedom
[14:36] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: its in ur hands
[14:37] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: no one can arrest ur freedom with out ur permission[14:37] RAVI KALYAN: wonderful
[14:37] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: its all in ur brains bud
[14:37] RAVI KALYAN: let me put it in other words
[14:38] RAVI KALYAN: i want to create some thing substantial on my own
[14:38] RAVI KALYAN: for me &subsequently evry1
[14:39] RAVI KALYAN: if u wrk,u r jst wrking
[14:39] RAVI KALYAN: ur creativity can't be at ur best
[14:39] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I think thats just a mental block
[14:39] RAVI KALYAN: k
[14:39] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u got to be aware of y u think in a particular way
[14:40] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: does that really makes sense
[14:40] RAVI KALYAN: not k[14:40] RAVI KALYAN: cd not ustand
[14:40] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: wat I mean is “focus on the source of the thought rather than the thought itself”
[14:40] RAVI KALYAN: k
[14:40] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u will find the truth
[14:40] RAVI KALYAN: i want more freedom than wat i have
[14:40] RAVI KALYAN: show me ways
[14:41] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: how do u define freedom in ur ways
[14:41] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I will proceed based on ur definition
[14:42] RAVI KALYAN: doing what i want in my way
[14:42] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: what is stopping u now from doing it ur way...
[14:42] RAVI KALYAN: world is trying to influence me
[14:42] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: be specific
[14:42] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and complete to ur best
[14:43] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: when u answer don just jump in to answer
[14:43] RAVI KALYAN: i want to influence the world
[14:43] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: in what way
[14:43] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: how is that related to u not having freedom
[14:44] RAVI KALYAN: to keep it simple
[14:44] RAVI KALYAN: i want to dedicate my life myself
[14:45] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm...
[14:45] RAVI KALYAN: and help others in my own way
[14:45] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u need to be still clear
[14:45] RAVI KALYAN: if i b myself
[14:45] RAVI KALYAN: the only thing i do is
[14:45] RAVI KALYAN: help others
[14:46] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: can u rephrase it?
[14:46] RAVI KALYAN: so world is encouraging me to be selfish
[14:46] RAVI KALYAN: ya sure
[14:46] RAVI KALYAN: if i b myself
[14:46] RAVI KALYAN: the only thing i do is help others
[14:46] RAVI KALYAN: world is encouraging me to be selfish
[14:47] RAVI KALYAN: but not helping others
[14:47] RAVI KALYAN: iam able to take help
[14:47] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: which means u are not inside out but ouside in ...
[14:47] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: so the problem is in U
[14:47] RAVI KALYAN: bt not otherway round?
[14:47] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u got to change ur approach towards urself
[14:48] RAVI KALYAN: yes fr sure, but it is not completely in me
[14:48] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I have written an article on
[14:48] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: You are the world – An insight to Inside out approach [14:48] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: did u read it?
[14:48] RAVI KALYAN: saw it
[14:48] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: in my blog
[14:49] RAVI KALYAN: read it,the heading
[14:49] RAVI KALYAN: will read it
[14:49] RAVI KALYAN: completely
[14:49] RAVI KALYAN: soon
[14:49] RAVI KALYAN: i knw
[14:49] RAVI KALYAN: let me ask u 1thing
[14:49] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ...world today is the expression of millions and millions years of t
[14:49] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: traditional and conventional approach towards life
[14:50] RAVI KALYAN: k
[14:50] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: when u start approaching life with outside in approach[14:50] RAVI KALYAN: k...
[14:50] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: which means ( u geeting affectd by world)
[14:50] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u can never ever get out from that loop
[14:51] RAVI KALYAN: k
[14:51] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ur approach towards life should be fresh and new every moment
[14:51] RAVI KALYAN: k
[14:51] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: then u will start looking at the world with altogether a different picture
[14:51] RAVI KALYAN: yes world does'nt let u tu be so..
[14:52] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: thats again a mental block
[14:52] RAVI KALYAN: let me ask u 1thing
[14:52] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm
[14:52] RAVI KALYAN: can i?
[14:52] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm
[14:53] RAVI KALYAN: i have a vision fr ur life
[14:53] RAVI KALYAN: d u have fr me
[14:53] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I dint get ur point rephrase
[14:53] RAVI KALYAN: being a close and dear friend
[14:53] RAVI KALYAN: i think i know ur +ves and -ves
[14:54] RAVI KALYAN: so i dream of a life fr u
[14:54] RAVI KALYAN: it jst comes into my mind
[14:54] RAVI KALYAN: evry time i cntact u
[14:54] RAVI KALYAN: so d u hav simlr ideas
[14:55] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u mean for u
[14:55] RAVI KALYAN: yeah
[14:55] RAVI KALYAN: i that way eithr u will b correct or me
[14:55] RAVI KALYAN: k
[14:55] RAVI KALYAN: let me change ur approach now
[14:56] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: but I live in the present ...atleast I think I do
[14:56] RAVI KALYAN: let me knw wat u want me to do in future as afriend
[14:56] RAVI KALYAN: if ur right,i wl follow u
[14:57] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: one thing that I want to make clear is
[14:57] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: doing it in future and projecting the same has very little significance, it may or may not be true
[14:58] RAVI KALYAN: k now
[14:58] RAVI KALYAN: tell me in wat way
[14:58] RAVI KALYAN: i shd act now
[14:58] RAVI KALYAN: may sound odd,sorry
[14:58] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: action should be an expression of 100% selfless being [14:59] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I can understand ur current mental situation
[14:59] RAVI KALYAN: if 1 wants to be so
[14:59] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: only thing I can suggest u at this point of time is
[14:59] RAVI KALYAN: meditation???
[14:59] RAVI KALYAN: haha...
[14:59] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: no not meditation
[15:00] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and there is nothing funny in meditating
[15:00] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ur attitude and [15:00] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: openness
[15:00] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: to accept and approach truth
[15:00] RAVI KALYAN: no nothing funny in meditation
[15:01] RAVI KALYAN: me mentioning it in wrong time
[15:01] RAVI KALYAN: was funny for me
[15:02] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and let me give u the key ...humility and surrendering [15:02] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: completely with ur heart ,soul, mind and body
[15:03] RAVI KALYAN: wat i look is using them completely in my way
[15:03] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: these qualities cultivate love in ur heart and that leads u to freedom
[15:03] RAVI KALYAN: cultivates to freedom and power
[15:03] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: come out of ur too intelligent self for a while
[15:03] RAVI KALYAN: no iam not
[15:04] RAVI KALYAN: iam jst speaking my foolish heart
[15:04] RAVI KALYAN: as there is no other place to speak it[15:04] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I dint want to sound harsh
[15:04] RAVI KALYAN: i knw
[15:05] RAVI KALYAN: i did'nt think so
[15:05] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: but as I said u got to have a questioning and receptive mind after profound enquiry
[15:05] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: but not a completely known and jammed mind
[15:06] RAVI KALYAN: i knw
[15:06] RAVI KALYAN: but percentage matters
[15:06] RAVI KALYAN: may be iam more questioning
[15:06] RAVI KALYAN: and least listening
[15:07] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u r skeptical rather than questioning
[15:07] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: when I say questioning it means inquisitive
[15:07] RAVI KALYAN: but essence of my question and essence of replies till now in my life have not changed
[15:08] RAVI KALYAN: so now there r 2 questions
[15:08] RAVI KALYAN: world poses a question 2 me
[15:08] RAVI KALYAN: and iam posing a question to world
[15:08] RAVI KALYAN: but i have the answer to the world
[15:09] RAVI KALYAN: but i jst don't wnt to reply
[15:09] RAVI KALYAN: but I feel like world is trying to answer me, but iam not convinced[15:09] RAVI KALYAN: so again its a loop
[15:09] RAVI KALYAN: whch i want to brk
[15:10] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ur approach to the world and u is through friction of thoughts
[15:10] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and the world u r referring here is not the true world but it is just the projection of your own self and imagination that it is the true ..it may be true just for u..
[15:10] RAVI KALYAN: k
Love – It is the essence
[15:10] RAVI KALYAN: am i boring u???
[15:10] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: bottom line is
[15:10] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: Love...
[15:10] RAVI KALYAN: i call it as freedom of love
[15:10] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: only through love can u achieve
[15:11] RAVI KALYAN: if I don't have freedom
[15:11] RAVI KALYAN: no meaning fr love
[15:11] RAVI KALYAN: if u have freedom, no love
[15:11] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: freedom is the outcome of love
[15:11] RAVI KALYAN: i think other way round, sorry
[15:11] RAVI KALYAN: love is outcome of freedom
[15:11] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u think…. and I experience thats the difference :)
[15:12] RAVI KALYAN: iam not kidding
[15:12] RAVI KALYAN: iam speaking frankly
[15:12] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: then may be u have a ur own definition for Love
[15:12] RAVI KALYAN: wat's the proof
[15:12] RAVI KALYAN: belief
[15:12] RAVI KALYAN: isn't it
[15:13] RAVI KALYAN: may be we both r on par
[15:13] RAVI KALYAN: in experience
[15:13] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: comparison has no meaning
[15:13] RAVI KALYAN: exactly
[15:13] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: if it is there then it is there!!
[15:14] RAVI KALYAN: u think and I experince thats the difference
[15:14] RAVI KALYAN: was ur sentence
[15:14] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: there is no scale to measure the percentage of experince..if you can quatify it then it is a pseudo experience
[15:14] RAVI KALYAN: exactly
[15:14] RAVI KALYAN: u think and I experince thats the difference is controversial statement[15:14] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: Ok ...lemme tell u this lastly
[15:15] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: experiences are the outcomes of selflessness...
[15:15] RAVI KALYAN: is that all?
[15:15] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and hence in this case u
[15:16] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: need not think
[15:16] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u just express wat is experinced
[15:16] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: it is not a theory
[15:16] RAVI KALYAN: k
[15:16] RAVI KALYAN: so any conclusions
[15:16] RAVI KALYAN: i guess no for now
[15:10] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: bottom line is
[15:10] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: Love...
[15:10] RAVI KALYAN: i call it as freedom of love
[15:10] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: only through love can u achieve
[15:11] RAVI KALYAN: if I don't have freedom
[15:11] RAVI KALYAN: no meaning fr love
[15:11] RAVI KALYAN: if u have freedom, no love
[15:11] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: freedom is the outcome of love
[15:11] RAVI KALYAN: i think other way round, sorry
[15:11] RAVI KALYAN: love is outcome of freedom
[15:11] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u think…. and I experience thats the difference :)
[15:12] RAVI KALYAN: iam not kidding
[15:12] RAVI KALYAN: iam speaking frankly
[15:12] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: then may be u have a ur own definition for Love
[15:12] RAVI KALYAN: wat's the proof
[15:12] RAVI KALYAN: belief
[15:12] RAVI KALYAN: isn't it
[15:13] RAVI KALYAN: may be we both r on par
[15:13] RAVI KALYAN: in experience
[15:13] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: comparison has no meaning
[15:13] RAVI KALYAN: exactly
[15:13] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: if it is there then it is there!!
[15:14] RAVI KALYAN: u think and I experince thats the difference
[15:14] RAVI KALYAN: was ur sentence
[15:14] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: there is no scale to measure the percentage of experince..if you can quatify it then it is a pseudo experience
[15:14] RAVI KALYAN: exactly
[15:14] RAVI KALYAN: u think and I experince thats the difference is controversial statement[15:14] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: Ok ...lemme tell u this lastly
[15:15] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: experiences are the outcomes of selflessness...
[15:15] RAVI KALYAN: is that all?
[15:15] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and hence in this case u
[15:16] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: need not think
[15:16] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u just express wat is experinced
[15:16] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: it is not a theory
[15:16] RAVI KALYAN: k
[15:16] RAVI KALYAN: so any conclusions
[15:16] RAVI KALYAN: i guess no for now
Surrender - It's the ultimate solution
[15:17] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: final conclusion is ...
[15:17] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: surrendering
[15:17] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: completely..
[15:17] RAVI KALYAN: if not?
[15:17] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u will know the beauty once u are into it
[15:17] RAVI KALYAN: will i be ruined?
[15:18] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: what I mean by surrender is sharanagatham
[15:18] RAVI KALYAN: agreed, i knw
[15:18] RAVI KALYAN: if not????
[15:18] RAVI KALYAN: nashanama?
[15:19] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: nothing..u will lead the similar life as u have been leading[15:19] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: even after million years
[15:19] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: there wont be much difference
[15:19] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and much progress
[15:19] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: as well
[15:19] RAVI KALYAN: may be i have been surrendering all these days
[15:20] RAVI KALYAN: wat do mean by surrndering
[15:20] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: again..u have ur own def
[15:20] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: for every thing
[15:20] RAVI KALYAN: exactly
[15:20] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: sarvasya sharanagatham..ante
[15:20] RAVI KALYAN: if u want we can play this mind tennis later
[15:21] RAVI KALYAN: if iam disturbing u
[15:21] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: giving up ur selfwill completely and uniting with the universal will is what I mean by surrendering
[15:22] RAVI KALYAN: so if i give up.wat is called self control??
[15:23] RAVI KALYAN: tell me which is important
[15:23] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hang on..restroom
[15:23] RAVI KALYAN: k
[15:28] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm cheppra
[15:28] RAVI KALYAN: unnava
[15:29] RAVI KALYAN: so if i give up.wat is called self control??tell me which is important to know for me
[15:29] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: selfwill or self control?
[15:30] RAVI KALYAN: sorry bt wat's difference
[15:30] RAVI KALYAN: i really don't know
[15:31] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm...
[15:32] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: jus thinkin how to present
[15:32] RAVI KALYAN: k
[15:32] RAVI KALYAN: tak ur time
[15:33] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: control could be or cud not be the succesive step for will[15:33] RAVI KALYAN: it's not clear
[15:33] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I mean...its the will that is generated first
[15:33] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: out of space
[15:34] RAVI KALYAN: again sure?
[15:34] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and control follows ur will
[15:34] RAVI KALYAN: are u sure and clear abt it?
[15:34] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: absolutely...
[15:35] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: it’s as simple as an OS and the application pgm
[15:35] RAVI KALYAN: so out of control life is out of will is it?
[15:35] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: rephrase it
[15:36] RAVI KALYAN: i mean ther lot of things out f control in world now
[15:36] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: yes....
[15:36] RAVI KALYAN: is that bcoz of lack of proper will
[15:36] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: so the source for that control is will
[15:37] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: it can be selfwill and self can be positively or negatively affected based on its approach to the life and world
[15:37] RAVI KALYAN: ok so world is out of control means
[15:37] RAVI KALYAN: will was not correct
[15:37] RAVI KALYAN: isn't it?
[15:37] RAVI KALYAN: r any thing else
[15:38] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: absolutely u got it!! :-)
[15:17] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: surrendering
[15:17] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: completely..
[15:17] RAVI KALYAN: if not?
[15:17] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u will know the beauty once u are into it
[15:17] RAVI KALYAN: will i be ruined?
[15:18] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: what I mean by surrender is sharanagatham
[15:18] RAVI KALYAN: agreed, i knw
[15:18] RAVI KALYAN: if not????
[15:18] RAVI KALYAN: nashanama?
[15:19] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: nothing..u will lead the similar life as u have been leading[15:19] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: even after million years
[15:19] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: there wont be much difference
[15:19] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and much progress
[15:19] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: as well
[15:19] RAVI KALYAN: may be i have been surrendering all these days
[15:20] RAVI KALYAN: wat do mean by surrndering
[15:20] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: again..u have ur own def
[15:20] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: for every thing
[15:20] RAVI KALYAN: exactly
[15:20] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: sarvasya sharanagatham..ante
[15:20] RAVI KALYAN: if u want we can play this mind tennis later
[15:21] RAVI KALYAN: if iam disturbing u
[15:21] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: giving up ur selfwill completely and uniting with the universal will is what I mean by surrendering
[15:22] RAVI KALYAN: so if i give up.wat is called self control??
[15:23] RAVI KALYAN: tell me which is important
[15:23] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hang on..restroom
[15:23] RAVI KALYAN: k
[15:28] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm cheppra
[15:28] RAVI KALYAN: unnava
[15:29] RAVI KALYAN: so if i give up.wat is called self control??tell me which is important to know for me
[15:29] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: selfwill or self control?
[15:30] RAVI KALYAN: sorry bt wat's difference
[15:30] RAVI KALYAN: i really don't know
[15:31] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: hmm...
[15:32] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: jus thinkin how to present
[15:32] RAVI KALYAN: k
[15:32] RAVI KALYAN: tak ur time
[15:33] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: control could be or cud not be the succesive step for will[15:33] RAVI KALYAN: it's not clear
[15:33] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: I mean...its the will that is generated first
[15:33] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: out of space
[15:34] RAVI KALYAN: again sure?
[15:34] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and control follows ur will
[15:34] RAVI KALYAN: are u sure and clear abt it?
[15:34] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: absolutely...
[15:35] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: it’s as simple as an OS and the application pgm
[15:35] RAVI KALYAN: so out of control life is out of will is it?
[15:35] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: rephrase it
[15:36] RAVI KALYAN: i mean ther lot of things out f control in world now
[15:36] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: yes....
[15:36] RAVI KALYAN: is that bcoz of lack of proper will
[15:36] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: so the source for that control is will
[15:37] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: it can be selfwill and self can be positively or negatively affected based on its approach to the life and world
[15:37] RAVI KALYAN: ok so world is out of control means
[15:37] RAVI KALYAN: will was not correct
[15:37] RAVI KALYAN: isn't it?
[15:37] RAVI KALYAN: r any thing else
[15:38] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: absolutely u got it!! :-)
Total Transformation
[15:38] RAVI KALYAN:1sec orkut scrapping
[15:39] RAVI KALYAN: k logged out
[15:39] RAVI KALYAN: i mn sorry
[15:39] RAVI KALYAN: orkut is so addictice
[15:40] RAVI KALYAN: i mn addictive
[15:40] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ya
[15:40] RAVI KALYAN: so any solution fr that wrong will?
[15:41] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: fresh approach...correction happens eventually ...Rome is not...built in a day bud
[15:42] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: total transformation is the solution
[15:42] RAVI KALYAN: exactly
[15:42] RAVI KALYAN: so fresh approach doesn't
[15:42] RAVI KALYAN: encourage u to surrender
[15:42] RAVI KALYAN: does it?
[15:43] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: It needs fresh and a mind absolutely living in the present to have fresh approach
[15:43] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and again going back to our initial discussion....
[15:44] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: the source for this is surrender..they are all interlinked[15:44] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: the problem with ur thought process is
[15:45] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u seeing diversity in every thing but the fact is they are all united
[15:45] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and when I talk about Love..it is the same Unity
[15:45] RAVI KALYAN: u can never live 100% in the present
[15:45] RAVI KALYAN: i bet on that
[15:45] RAVI KALYAN: nor anyone
[15:46] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: .....ok...lets not argue on things...
[15:46] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u can bet
[15:46] RAVI KALYAN: sorry i don't mean literally
[15:46] RAVI KALYAN: iam jst stressing...
[15:46] RAVI KALYAN: easy easy..
[15:47] RAVI KALYAN: i want to say that no1 can live in the present 100%
[15:47] RAVI KALYAN: iam damn sure abt it
[15:48] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: how are u damn sure?
[15:48] RAVI KALYAN: i have not seen nor came to know
[15:48] RAVI KALYAN: abt such a person
[15:48] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: :))
[15:49] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: thats why I said u need a questioning mind and inquizitive approach
[15:49] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: wat if u have not seen
[15:50] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: y is that not possible
[15:50] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: do u have answers for that...
[15:50] RAVI KALYAN: i simply think that it is impossible...
[15:51] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: its evident how open u r for truth...
[15:51] RAVI KALYAN: do u think it is possible?????
[15:51] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u just accepting ur reaction straight away
[15:52] RAVI KALYAN: no my question is
[15:52] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: it is otherwise called timelessness
[15:52] RAVI KALYAN: do u think that
[15:52] RAVI KALYAN: k
[15:39] RAVI KALYAN: k logged out
[15:39] RAVI KALYAN: i mn sorry
[15:39] RAVI KALYAN: orkut is so addictice
[15:40] RAVI KALYAN: i mn addictive
[15:40] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: ya
[15:40] RAVI KALYAN: so any solution fr that wrong will?
[15:41] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: fresh approach...correction happens eventually ...Rome is not...built in a day bud
[15:42] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: total transformation is the solution
[15:42] RAVI KALYAN: exactly
[15:42] RAVI KALYAN: so fresh approach doesn't
[15:42] RAVI KALYAN: encourage u to surrender
[15:42] RAVI KALYAN: does it?
[15:43] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: It needs fresh and a mind absolutely living in the present to have fresh approach
[15:43] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and again going back to our initial discussion....
[15:44] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: the source for this is surrender..they are all interlinked[15:44] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: the problem with ur thought process is
[15:45] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u seeing diversity in every thing but the fact is they are all united
[15:45] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: and when I talk about Love..it is the same Unity
[15:45] RAVI KALYAN: u can never live 100% in the present
[15:45] RAVI KALYAN: i bet on that
[15:45] RAVI KALYAN: nor anyone
[15:46] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: .....ok...lets not argue on things...
[15:46] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u can bet
[15:46] RAVI KALYAN: sorry i don't mean literally
[15:46] RAVI KALYAN: iam jst stressing...
[15:46] RAVI KALYAN: easy easy..
[15:47] RAVI KALYAN: i want to say that no1 can live in the present 100%
[15:47] RAVI KALYAN: iam damn sure abt it
[15:48] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: how are u damn sure?
[15:48] RAVI KALYAN: i have not seen nor came to know
[15:48] RAVI KALYAN: abt such a person
[15:48] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: :))
[15:49] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: thats why I said u need a questioning mind and inquizitive approach
[15:49] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: wat if u have not seen
[15:50] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: y is that not possible
[15:50] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: do u have answers for that...
[15:50] RAVI KALYAN: i simply think that it is impossible...
[15:51] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: its evident how open u r for truth...
[15:51] RAVI KALYAN: do u think it is possible?????
[15:51] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: u just accepting ur reaction straight away
[15:52] RAVI KALYAN: no my question is
[15:52] baluakul@gmail.com/Meebo: it is otherwise called timelessness
[15:52] RAVI KALYAN: do u think that
[15:52] RAVI KALYAN: k
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